Backup copy of Tiger install DVD?

[jmouton]

Anyone know how can I make a backup copy of the Tiger install DVD? I tried FastDVDCopy, but it doesn't copy all the content of the DVD and the copy isn't bootable. Disk Utility won't make an image file of the DVD, and if I create an empty image file, none of my file utilities I have will copy all of the files on the original DVD.

[DeltaMac]

Toast 6 will make an archive copy. I've burned a couple already, tested with a DVD+R, which would boot and install Tiger fine.

[retcynnm]

I used Disk Utility to image my Panther install DVD. I believe I used File >> New >> disk image from disk3s3 (with the install dvd selected in Disk Utility) to do it.


Wait, that's not right. Doing it that way I'm getting a .dmg file, whereas when I did it yesterday I got a .cdr file. Will get back when I figure out what I did, 'cause i certainly did it. What ever it is.

[retcynnm]

Ok, here you go.

Insert Install DVD into drive. Open Applications>>Utilities>>Disk Utility. In the column on the left of the Disk Utility window, select "Mac OS X Install DVD", with the little CD icon next to it. Now from the File menu select New >> Disk Image from disk3s3 (Mac OS X Install DVD).... Yours might have a slightly different name for the disk3s3 part, but it should still have the (Mac OSX.....) bit.

In the convert image dialouge that opens next, give it a more descriptive name in the Save As part, and change the Image Format to DVD/CD master and click save.

You should then end up with a .cdr file that you can then burn back to a DVD-r with Disk Utility and a DVD burner.

Hope that makes sense.

[jmouton]

DeltaMac - you were right, Toast 6 will indeed do a copy ... but I had to do a lot of coaxing. Apparently there are well-known (to some people) problems with Toast unmounting the source DVD. This is what kept happening to me. But when you told me that you used Toast succesfully, I played around with various combinations of putting in the blank DVD and ejecting/loading the source, and finally (!) Toast made a copy that worked.

Second time around took even more finagling, but it's burning as I write. I don't know if I can duplicate the process :-) but I will at least have my backup copies.

retcynnm, I tried using Disk Utiltity, but it would not permit me to make an image of the Tiger DVD. That "Create image from ..." option was greyed out. Maybe a permissions problem, maybe a Tiger problem, who knows. I will try to figure this one out later.

Thanks, both of you - for quick, helpful replies!

[DeltaMac]

Download the update for Toast 6, to make version 6.0.9
That fixes a number of minor issues with Toast. I just ignore the 'won't unmount disk' message. I see it, too, but doesn't affect burning for me. It's just one additional click.

[donk]

I also backed up my Tiger...

But, am not sure if I did it right...

I have it formatted as an .iso, and then if I double-click it mounts into a installer white hard drive. But, I cannot install from that... I tried to burn the contents of the installer hd to a dvd, but a restart with it yielded a question mark and then just restarted on the regular system folder.

Any ideas?

Should I just burn the .iso? Convert it?

Thanks in advance.

[DeltaMac]

You can't install from the disk image. You have to burn to a DVD, and that should boot your system.

[jmouton]

The fact that you can't boot from the dvd you created suggests to me that your image didn't have all the files needed. It's hard to see because many of the needed files are invisible.

DeltaMac's advice to me was very good: use Roxio Toast and do a copy. There were a few funny things encountered on the way, but I did get a bootable copy. Toast has been a very solid utility for me over the years, and I believe any Tiger-related glitches will be ironed out. It's not expensive and well worth the investment.

[hintme]

I created a .cdr file and tried to burn the dvd using Toast 6.1 with no luck. My internal dvd drive is dodgy, sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't so I used an external dvd burner to both create the .cdr file and to try to burn the dvd. I was able to burn the .cdr disk image, but not a bootable disk from the mounted image. The drive just stopped part way into the process. Any hints?

[DeltaMac]

I've burned good, bootable backup copies of the Tiger DVD for customers several times. No need to create a .cdr...

I control-click on the Tiger DVD, and choose Toast It! from the drop down menu. No need to even change any settings, just click the Record button and swap disk when Toast asks.

[oquela]

I was trying to install Tiger (brand new, got it on Thursday) on a Ti 1ghz PBook. It had 10.2.8 previously, so I was "jumping" one version of the OS.

I made backups of Tiger using Toast 5 (in OS 9 and OSX), and using Toast 6 (in OS X) and they BOOTED fine, but did not allow me to update, citing "errors" once the install process began.

I tried burning from an image in Toast, and this caused a kernel panic during startup.

I burned copies using Nero on a PC, and although bootable, still caused errors.

I tried the original install disk, and (SURPRISE!) it worked fine.

It seems to me this install disk is encrypted or copy-protected somehow. It's too bad that there isn't an Apple-certified way of backing up your own disks. Bad enough that we have to purchase "upgrades" that are really updates every few months.
PS: tried both the upgrade option, and the clean install option and neither worked with backups

[DeltaMac]

The Tiger DVD is not encrypted or protected in any way. I have found that I can not backup the Tiger on just any DVD. Use good quality media. Update your Toast. You won't likely get a good copy with Toast 5. When I updated to 10.4.1, then Toast would not let me make more backups for some reason. Updating Toast to vers 6.1 made the difference. The Tiger DVD in my experience will error out on a number of different Macs. I can usually get it to work by simply wiping the DVD surface with a soft, dry cloth. Blowing in the CD slot with a 'Can of Air' can help also.

[camner]

I have had absolutely no luck creating a bootable copy of the Tiger install DVD.

I have tried:

1. Toast 5--it makes the copy just fine, it verfies fine, but won't boot
2. Disk Utility--I make a cd/dvd master image (.cdr), and it burns fine, but it won't boot

Only the original DVD will boot--the Toast copy will mount, but not boot. The Disk Utility copy won't even mount.

I use good quality media, and even tried burning it at far less than maximum speeds.

Obviously a variety of people have had trouble with this, while others seem to have no problem. What's the difference? Does anyone have a clue?

[DeltaMac]

1. Toast 5--it makes the copy just fine, it verfies fine, but won't boot
2. Disk Utility--I make a cd/dvd master image (.cdr), and it burns fine, but it won't boot
Obviously a variety of people have had trouble with this, while others seem to have no problem. What's the difference? Does anyone have a clue?
The clue that I gave in the above post - Toast 6 WILL make a bootable backup of the Tiger DVD.
You can easily make copies of disks, the difference is using something that will keep the copy BOOTABLE. Toast 6 works for me...

[camner]

Well, after a long Google search, I found the key: Insert the original install DVD, ctrl-click the DVD icon and pull up "get info". Make sure that "ignore permissions on this volume" is NOT checked (it may be checked by default).

Then, making a .cdr image via Disk Utility and burning created a bootable CD.

Hope this helps others!

(key words for search: OS X copy install DVD)

[fishykipper]

I read, this exact forum, and done as I was advised, and I now have an exact copy of Tiger. I can boot up, install, update

You guys rock, I have been trying for ages, to do this, thanks a million


Jack

[shart]

OK then,


My Mac G4 has only a DVD reader (no writer).

I have the Tiger .dmg file on DVD -- (which won't install on the mac)

I do have a win XP with a DVD writer and all the latest burning utilities...

How do I create a bootable tiger DVD using my windows PC's DVD burner?

[giskard22]

I gotta say, if you have a disk image but not the original DVD, it sure sounds like you didn't purchase the software. This forum is pretty unhelpful when it comes to tips for using software people didn't pay for.

If you have an external hard drive, you can use Disk Utility to "restore" the disk image to a partition. That will work fine, not to mention being a lot faster than a DVD. It'll also erase the partition, of course.

[Digital_Guy]

I have been able to make a backup copy of 10.4 (I've made about 8 or 10). The problem I have ... the DVD will boot, and ask for language choice. However ... during "DVD Surface Verify", this has NEVER COMPLETED. It warns that my disk may have scratches or fingerprints, to remove the media and check, and to try again (after about the 3rd copy that I tried to burn unsucessfully, I was VERY CAREFUL not to touch the underside of the disk AT ALL, so I am SURE that this "warning" is fake). I am even more confused by the fact that this happens no matter what media I try to copy to. I thought it was because some of the blank DVD-Rs were not high quality ... so I then purchased a 3-pack of SONY DVD-Rs (the highest quality I could think of for the price, the package was less than $15), and the problem has continued on the SONY media. I am almost certain that there is a protection scheme or mechanism involved. And NO, I am not pirating the software. I needed to make a copy of it because my mother has a sister that lives out of state, she purchased a 5-copy license of 10.4. She visited this summer for a few days, and I wanted to make a copy of the disk so that I could install it after she left, and allow her to take the original DVD copy home with her (she was the person that paid for it, I didn't even think about asking her to allow me to keep the original). And as for why I didn't install it during the few days she was here, that's another story. If you do happen to want the details of her visit and why I simply didn't install it then so as to avoid this problem in the first place, you can either send me a private message here, or contact me via e-mail. I will provide details and an explanation upon your request.

If anyone can help explain why "Disk Surface Verify" will not work for me (again, remembering that I have used several types and grades of media, all with no luck), I would be appreciative. In advance, thank you.

[DeltaMac]

Have you tried skipping the 'verify' to check that the installer will work anyway? If your Mac is more than a couple of years old, some DVD drives are balky with the Tiger installer.
Also, justifying the copy by saying it's a multi-license, does not mean that you are not pirating. From the Family pack description: "An easy and inexpensive way of using a single copy of Mac OS X Tiger 10.4 on up to five Macintosh computers at a time, as long as those computers are located in the same household and used by people who reside in that same household." It would seem that you do not live in the same household as your aunt, so you don't have a legitimate license to install Tiger with this copy.

[mattone]

Well, after a long Google search, I found the key: Insert the original install DVD, ctrl-click the DVD icon and pull up "get info". Make sure that "ignore permissions on this volume" is NOT checked (it may be checked by default).

Then, making a .cdr image via Disk Utility and burning created a bootable CD.

Hope this helps others!

(key words for search: OS X copy install DVD)

thanks for this. i was able to make a .cdr copy of install disk 1 but when i go to copy it onto a blank dvd-r (using toast 5.2.3) it tells me not enough room on disc since its 5.3GB. how would i copy this onto another dvd-r?

cheers,
matt

[CAlvarez]

My 10.4 disc is dual-layer, and can only be copied to another DL disc.

[giskard22]

I posted this to another thread, but I'm not finding it at the moment.

You chose the wrong format for your disk image. You need to choose "read only", not "CD/DVD Master".

[mattone]

i didn't really know what the difference was...thanks. i'll give that a whirl.
regarding dual-layer dvd-r, i didn't realize my internal dvd-rom could read that format. i thought one needed a dl dvd drive.

matt

[heluani]

My 10.4 disc is dual-layer, and can only be copied to another DL disc.This is quite strange, my copy only takes 3.9Gb on the DVD.

R.

[Sparky9292]

I gotta say, if you have a disk image but not the original DVD, it sure sounds like you didn't purchase the software. This forum is pretty unhelpful when it comes to tips for using software people didn't pay for.

If you have an external hard drive, you can use Disk Utility to "restore" the disk image to a partition. That will work fine, not to mention being a lot faster than a DVD. It'll also erase the partition, of course.

Actually not true. In disk utility there's a checkbox where you can tell it not to blow away the partition on your external drive. I'd recommend that you move any existing files to one folder because the tiger image has about 25 different files it will dump on the root. Just make sure you have at least three gigs of space to restore the tiger image to that drive.

Yes, it installs really really fast via my Firewire800 Lacie drive.:D

[aleco3000]

I just got a notebook g4 and i've never used mac's before im pretty good on everything in a pc but have no idea how to do certain things on mac.
I got this notebook g4 as a gift since my brother got another apple and I erased everything so he gave me a copy of his tiger os... and it seems that the dvd he gave me includes some other programs...and when I open the tiger folder everything appears to be correctly and I double click and it opens a window saying to restart to begin installation but it just restarts and nothing happens...what can I do?