Fink 0.51 - is its safe to upgrade?

[bluehz]

Is it safe to upgrade the Fink install if using the new Apple X11?

What is the proper method. I think I usually do "fink selfupdate", but docs at the Fink site make no mention of that instead pointing to binary installers. Which is correct?

[Glanz]

Originally posted by bluehz
Is it safe to upgrade the Fink install if using the new Apple X11?

What is the proper method. I think I usually do "fink selfupdate", but docs at the Fink site make no mention of that instead pointing to binary installers. Which is correct?

"fink update-all" will do the trick for source installs. That version is listed as # 0.11.2-1. If you are using source you must update automake before the "update-all" command will install the new autoconf25. If your present automake is binary the removal is necessary in the update process towards source.

If you are on a binary stable trip, refer to the fFnk site and the Fink-users lists at http://www.mail-archive.com/fink-users@lists.sourceforge.net/maillist.html to get an idea of the process. If you use Fink Commander the updating is pretty straightforward.

[sao]

bluehz,

If you're using source run:

'fink selfupdate-cvs'

Then, follow Glanz advice to update automake before the "update-all" command.

Then, 'fink update-all'


If you only install binaries:

'sudo apt-get update'


If you mix and use both source and binaries, you must upgrade both ways.

[bluehz]

thx - I usually don't do the "fink update-all" as it takes days to complete on my machine. sao and I have discussed this before - I instead opt for updating a few pkgs at a time...maybe I setoff a few to go tonight when I retire, maybe a few tomorrow night. Is this ok with this current incarnation. FWIW - I don't think I usually instally binary (all my fink stuff has to compile) and I usually do the CVS thang (I like to live in the edge).

Although - with that recent post in the X11 by sao about suspending a long operation - I might just go for the full "update-all". Great post sao! I always knew that was possible just never knew the logistics of it.

[Glanz]

Originally posted by bluehz
Great post sao! I always knew that was possible just never knew the logistics of it.
Yeah! That is the mostest handiest-dandiest usefullist geekiest tipp yet posted. [gerat English, huh?] :D

[bluehz]

While we are on the subject of multi-day fink updates. I just checked my fink list after updating and here is teh HUGE list of items I get that appear to need updating. Note that it wasn't but about a month ago that I did a fairly large update. As you can see the list is HUGE and the KDE stuff is mainly what causes teh multi-day installs. In light of recent developments (e.g. switching to Apple X11 instead of XDarwin) is there anything blatant you might see that I could uninstall, dispose of, or just skipp updating. Sorry for the long list):(i) amor 3.1-2 KDE - themeable animated window toy
(i) ark 3.1-1 KDE - archive utility
(i) arts 1.1.0-9 KDE - analog realtime synthesizer
(i) arts-dev 1.1.0-9 KDE - arts development headers and libraries
(i) atlantik 3.1-1 KDE - Monopoly-like game
(i) autoconf25 2.54-2 Upgrade package -> autoconf2.5
(i) automake 1.6.3-2 Upgrade package -> automake1.6
(i) bundle-kde-ssl 3.1-3 KDE convenience package: KDE 3.1 (SSL support)
(i) db3 3.3.11-13 Berkeley DB embedded database
(i) db3-doc 3.3.11-13 Documentation for db3
(i) db3-shlibs 3.3.11-13 Shared Libraries for db3
(i) docbook-dtd 4.1.2-4 DocBook SGML/XML DTDs official releases
(i) ffmpeg 0.4.5-4 Digital VCR and streaming server
(i) flashkard 3.1-1 KDE - vocabulary studying tool
(i) gaim 0.59.6-1 Instant Messaging client
(i) glib2 2.0.7-1 Handy library of utility functions
(i) glib2-dev 2.0.7-1 Handy library of utility functions
(i) glib2-shlibs 2.0.7-1 Handy library of utility functions
(i) gmp 4.1.1-1 GNU multiple precision arithmetic library
(i) gmp-shlibs 4.1.1-1 GNU multiple precision arithmetic library
(i) gnome-libs 1.4.2-2 Base libraries for GNOME
(i) gnupg 1.2.1-2 Gnu privacy guard - A Free PGP replacement
(i) gtk+2 2.0.9-1 The Gimp Toolkit
(i) gtk+2-dev 2.0.9-1 The Gimp Toolkit
(i) gtk+2-shlibs 2.0.9-1 The Gimp Toolkit
(i) gtk-doc 0.9-5 GTK+ DocBook Documentation Generator
(i) imlib 1.9.14-2 Image handling library for X11 and Gtk
(i) imlib-shlibs 1.9.14-2 Image handling library for X11 and Gtk
(i) kalzium 3.1-1 KDE - periodic table
(i) kaphorism 3.1-2 KDE - display proverbs and aphorisms
(i) karbon 1.2.1-1 KDE - vector-based drawing program
(i) kasteroids 3.1-1 KDE - asteroids clone
(i) katomic 3.1-1 KDE - sokoban-like game
(i) kbackgammon 3.1-1 KDE - backgammon board game
(i) kbattleship 3.1-1 KDE - Battleship clone
(i) kblackbox 3.1-1 KDE - Blackbox clone
(i) kbounce 3.1-1 KDE - catch moving balls
(i) kcalc 3.1-1 KDE - scientific calculator
(i) kcharselect 3.1-1 KDE - character set selector
(i) kchart 1.2.1-1 KDE - charting and diagram drawing
(i) kcoloredit 3.1-1 KDE - color palette editor
(i) kde-extra-kfile-plugins 3.1-2 extra file I/O plugins
(i) kde-extra-screensavers 3.1-1 KDE - extra screensavers
(i) kde-extra-sounds 3.1-1 KDE - extra sounds for startup and logout
(i) kde-extra-themes 3.1-1 KDE - extra window styles and themes
(i) kde-extra-wallpapers 3.1-1 KDE - extra wallpaper images
(i) kde-icons-ikons 3.1-1 KDE - "iKons" icon set
(i) kde-icons-locolor 3.1-1 KDE - "Locolor" icon set
(i) kde-icons-slick 3.1-1 KDE - "slick" icon set
(i) kde-icons-technical 3.1-1 KDE - "Technical" icon set
(i) kde-panel-eyes 3.1-2 KDE - xeyes panel applet
(i) kde-panel-fifteen 3.1-2 KDE - moving squares panel game
(i) kde-panel-worldwatch 3.1-2 KDE - worldclock panel applet
(i) kdeartwork3 3.1-1 KDE - additional artwork
(i) kdebase3-ssl 3.1-1 KDE - base system
(i) kdebase3-ssl-dev 3.1-1 KDE - base development headers and libraries
(i) kdeedu3 3.1-1 KDE - educational software
(i) kdeedu3-shlibs 3.1-1 KDE - kdeedu common shared libraries
(i) kdegames3 3.1-1 KDE - games
(i) kdegames3-common 3.1-1 KDE - game shared libraries
(i) kdegraphics3 3.1-1 KDE - graphics
(i) kdelibs3-ssl 3.1-1 KDE - essential libraries
(i) kdelibs3-ssl-dev 3.1-1 KDE - essential development libraries and headers
(i) kdenetwork3 3.1-2 KDE - networking
(i) kdenetwork3-common 3.1-2 KDE - kdenetwork common files
(i) kdenetwork3-misc 3.1-2 KDE - other miscellaneous network applications
(i) kdepasswd 3.1-1 KDE - password changer frontend
(i) kdessh 3.1-1 KDE - ssh frontend
(i) kdetoys3 3.1-2 KDE - toys
(i) kdeutils3 3.1-1 KDE - miscellaneous utilities
(i) kdevelop 3.0a2-1 KDE - Development IDE
(i) kdf 3.1-1 KDE - disk space GUI
(i) kdvi 3.1-1 KDE - DVI print file previewer
(i) kedit 3.1-1 KDE - simple text editor
(i) keduca 3.1-1 KDE - create and revise form-based exams
(i) kenolaba 3.1-1 KDE - strategy board game
(i) kfax 3.1-1 KDE - fax file viewer
(i) kfloppy 3.1-1 KDE - floppy disk formatter
(i) kformula 1.2.1-1 KDE - formula editor
(i) kfouleggs 3.1-1 KDE - PuyoPuyo clone
(i) kgeo 3.1-1 KDE - interactive geometry
(i) kget 3.1-2 KDE - download manager
(i) kghostview 3.1-1 KDE - postscript viewer
(i) khangman 3.1-1 KDE - hangman word game
(i) khexedit 3.1-1 KDE - hex editor
(i) kiconedit 3.1-1 KDE - icon editor
(i) kit 3.1-2 KDE - AIM chat client
(i) kiten 3.1-1 KDE - Japanese reference and learning tool
(i) kivio 1.2.1-1 KDE - flowchart program
(i) kjots 3.1-1 KDE - small note taker
(i) kjumpingcube 3.1-1 KDE - tactical game
(i) klettres 3.1-1 KDE - multi-language alphabet learning aid
(i) klickety 3.1-1 KDE - Tetris-like game
(i) klines 3.1-1 KDE - Color Lines-like logic game
(i) kmahjongg 3.1-1 KDE - pick-up game based on the ancient mandarin Mah Jong
(i) kmail 3.1-2 KDE - mail client
(i) kmessedwords 3.1-1 KDE - mind-training word game
(i) kmines 3.1-1 KDE - minesweeper-like game
(i) kmoon 3.1-2 KDE - moon phases
(i) kmplot 3.1-1 KDE - mathematical function plotter
(i) knewsticker 3.1-2 KDE - news ticker
(i) knode 3.1-2 KDE - nntp news reader
(i) kodo 3.1-2 KDE - desktop mileage odometer
(i) koffice 1.2.1-1 KDE - office suite
(i) koffice-common 1.2.1-1 KDE - files used by all of KOffice
(i) kolf 3.1-1 KDE - mini-golf game
(i) konquest 3.1-1 KDE - multi-player strategic war game
(i) kontour 1.2.1-1 KDE - vector drawing program
(i) korn 3.1-2 KDE - new mail notification
(i) kpaint 3.1-1 KDE - graphic editor
(i) kpat 3.1-1 KDE - collection of solitaire-like card games
(i) kpercentage 3.1-1 KDE - practice calculating percentages
(i) kpf 3.1-2 KDE - personal fileserver
(i) kpoker 3.1-1 KDE - poker card game
(i) kpovmodeler 3.1-1 KDE - 3D modeler and composer
(i) kpresenter 1.2.1-1 KDE - PowerPoint-like presentation app
(i) krdc 3.1-2 KDE - remote desktop client (VNC)
(i) kregexpeditor 3.1-1 KDE - regular expression editor kpart
(i) kreversi 3.1-1 KDE - reversi clone
(i) krfb 3.1-2 KDE - remote desktop server (VNC)
(i) kruler 3.1-1 KDE - distance and color measurement
(i) ksame 3.1-1 KDE - simple game inspired by SameGame
(i) kshisen 3.1-1 KDE - Shisen-So - a Mah Jong-like game
(i) ksirc 3.1-2 KDE - graphical IRC client
(i) ksirtet 3.1-1 KDE - Tetris clone
(i) ksmiletris 3.1-1 KDE - Tetris clone
(i) ksnake 3.1-1 KDE - snake race played against the computer
(i) ksnapshot 3.1-1 KDE - screenshot utility
(i) ksokoban 3.1-1 KDE - sokoban-like game
(i) kspaceduel 3.1-1 KDE - 2-player space arcade game
(i) kspread 1.2.1-1 KDE - spreadsheet
(i) kstars 3.1-1 KDE - desktop planetarium
(i) ktalk 3.1-2 KDE - UNIX chat client and server
(i) kteatime 3.1-2 KDE - tea timer
(i) ktimer 3.1-1 KDE - timer
(i) ktouch 3.1-1 KDE - touch-typing tutor
(i) ktron 3.1-1 KDE - simple Tron clone
(i) ktuberling 3.1-1 KDE - Mr. Potato Head-like game
(i) ktux 3.1-2 KDE - screensaver with tux the penguin
(i) kugar 1.2.1-1 KDE - business report viewer and creator
(i) kuickshow 3.1-1 KDE - slideshow application
(i) kverbos 3.1-1 KDE - spanish verb form study aid
(i) kview 3.1-1 KDE - image viewer
(i) kvoctrain 3.1-1 KDE - vocabulary training tool
(i) kwikdisk 3.1-1 KDE - mount and unmount disks
(i) kwin4 3.1-1 KDE - Connect-4 clone
(i) kword 1.2.1-1 KDE - word processor
(i) kworldclock 3.1-2 KDE - international clock
(i) kworldclock-maps 3.1-1 KDE - extra maps for kworldclock
(i) kxmlrpcd 3.1-2 KDE - inter-process communcation server
(i) lame 3.93.1-1 MP3 encoder and graphical frame analyzer
(i) lame-shlibs 3.93.1-1 MP3 encoder and graphical frame analyzer
(i) lesstif 0.93.36-2 Free implementation of OSF/Motif
(i) lesstif-shlibs 0.93.36-2 Free implementation of OSF/Motif
(i) libcapsinetwork 0.2.3-1 C++ daemon development library
(i) libcapsinetwork-dev 0.2.3-1 static libraries and headers for libCapsiNetwork

[bluehz]

(continued)
(i) libpoll 1.2-3 SysV poll(2) Emulation Library
(i) libpoll-shlibs 1.2-3 SysV poll(2) Emulation Library
(i) libtool14 1.4.3-1 Shared library build helper, v1.4
(i) libtool14-shlibs 1.4.3-1 Shared library build helper, v1.4
(i) libxml2-bin 2.4.30-1 XML parsing library, version 2
(i) libxslt 1.0.23-2 XML stylesheet transformation library
(i) libxslt-shlibs 1.0.23-2 XML stylsheet transformation shared libraries
(i) lisa 3.1-2 KDE - network neighborhood browser
(i) lskat 3.1-1 KDE - 2-player card game like Offiziersskat
(i) mad 0.14.2b-2 High-quality MPEG audio decoder
(i) mad-bin 0.14.2b-2 High-quality MPEG audio decoder
(i) mad-shlibs 0.14.2b-2 High-quality MPEG audio decoder
(i) megami 3.1-1 KDE - blackjack card game
(i) monopd 0.7.0-2 Monopoly-like game server
(i) mozilla 1.1.0-4 Mozilla - full install
(i) mpg123 pre0.59s-7 Real time MPEG Audio Player for Layer 1,2 and Layer3
(i) mplayer 0.90rc2-1 MPEG 1/2, .ogm and AVI movie player
(i) nano 1.0.9-12 Improved clone of the Pico text editor
(i) netpbm-bin 10.12-1 Graphics manipulation programs and libraries
(i) openjade 1.3.2-2 Implementation of DSSSL
(i) openssl 0.9.6g-4 Secure Sockets Layer and general crypto library
(i) openssl-dev 0.9.6g-4 Secure Sockets Layer and general crypto library
(i) openssl-shlibs 0.9.6g-4 Secure Sockets Layer and general crypto library
(i) orbit 0.5.17-3 The CORBA ORB used in GNOME
(i) orbit-bin 0.5.17-3 The CORBA ORB used in GNOME
(i) orbit-shlibs 0.5.17-3 The CORBA ORB used in GNOME
(i) pan 0.13.3-1 Graphical newsreader
(i) pkgconfig 0.15.0-1 System for managing library compile/link flags
(i) python 2.2.2-2 Interpreted, object-oriented language
(i) python22 2.2.2-2 Interpreted, object-oriented language
(i) python22-shlibs 2.2.2-2 Interpreted, object-oriented language
(i) qt3 3.1.1-3 Cross-Platform GUI application framework
(i) qt3-shlibs 3.1.1-3 Cross-Platform GUI application framework
(i) system-xfree86 4.2-5 Placeholder package for manually installed XFree86
(i) tcltk 8.4.1-1 Tool Command Language and the Tk toolkit
(i) tcltk-dev 8.4.1-1 Tool Command Language and the Tk toolkit
(i) tcltk-shlibs 8.4.1-1 Tool Command Language and the Tk toolkit
(i) tidy 20021210-2 Utility to tidy up HTML code
(i) xpdf 2.01-1 Viewer for Portable Document Format (PDF) files

[Glanz]

Do you use KDE? I gave up on it both in my PC Debian install and on my iBook Fink install. I find it glitchy, slow, and CPU-hungry, proprietarily secretive, and full of apps I would never think of using. And I find the KWM a sloth on demerol compared to any other WM. I really don't like it. What I am waiting for is a Gnome2 for Fink. I have nearly all the libraries etc. via Fink.

[sao]

bluehz,

Both ways are fine, a few pkgs at a time or update-all. You need to decide.

Well, looking at your list of installed packages, besides KDE, you need to update around 25 packages.

Just in case you decide to remove KDE, this is the easiest way:

sudo apt-get remove arts

will remove the arts sound server and 'everything' that depends on it (and all of KDE depends on it).

[bluehz]

Like you - I find KDE extremely slow - except with (as we have discussed) using wmaker as the window manager for KDE. Its bearable. I have a few KDE apps I use occasionally (but within Blackbox), but I rarely ever fire up KDE itself which is unfortunate as I find KDE the most user-friendly polished environ for X11. Certainly the one most avg users would be comfortable in. I would still like to have the ability to launch KDE apps I think. I know that in the past - updating and installing KDE has taken well over 3 days solid, so I am a bit fearful of just deleting outright all KDE stuff.

Seems like a lot of packages to update even without KDE. For example - I just installed the "pan" newsreader yesterday - and it already needs an update. Is this to be attributed to teh new Fink install or is it just an updated package?

[Glanz]

Originally posted by bluehz

Seems like a lot of packages to update even without KDE. For example - I just installed the "pan" newsreader yesterday - and it already needs an update. Is this to be attributed to the new Fink install or is it just an updated package?

I did my updating yesterday. ... [32 newly installed or upgraded pkgs]. The compilation took about three hours. But I don't have KDE. Like you, I DID use a few KDE apps, such as KMail, Ksnapshot (which is excluded from the new KDE version), and the Konqueror File Manager.... that's about it. I foung Konqueror WWW way too glitchy-crashy. So I just decided to kiss KDE goodby. I even trashed QT3.

Since I placed all my Themes, etc in ~/GNUstep, Windowmaker has been my default manager. I also like Blackbox because the menu system in /sw/share/blackbox is quite easy to edit via sudo (I like keeping the Blackbox files where they were originally placed, though I created a ~/.blackbox Folder for Backgrounds etc.

Even with another "engine", I find KDE sluggish.

Anyway, I like to stick to GNU stuff as much as possible. The exceptions are a few MIT apps. BTW, you'll notice that much OpenBSD stuff is GPL'd under the Gnu licence.

[bluehz]

I think you are right - time to 86 KDE. Now that I think about it - running KDE apps in Apple X11 was gltchy too. I guess running that code that sao suggested should be good to clean me up from KDE?

[bluehz]

sao - I decide to wipeout my KDE per your instructions...

sudo apt-get remove arts

here is what I am getting in return...

sudo apt-get remove arts
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.

Since you only requested a single operation it is extremely likely that
the package is simply not installable and a bug report against
that package should be filed.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
kde-extra-screensavers: Depends: kdelibs3-ssl (>= 3.0.7-2) but it is not going to be installed or
kdelibs3 (>= 3.0.7-2) but it is not going to be installed
kde-extra-sounds: Depends: kdelibs3-ssl (>= 3.0.7-2) but it is not going to be installed or
kdelibs3 (>= 3.0.7-2) but it is not going to be installed
kde-extra-wallpapers: Depends: kdelibs3-ssl (>= 3.0.7-2) but it is not going to be installed or
kdelibs3 (>= 3.0.7-2) but it is not going to be installed
kde-icons-crystal: Depends: kdelibs3-ssl (>= 3.0.7-2) but it is not going to be installed or
kdelibs3 (>= 3.0.7-2) but it is not going to be installed
kde-icons-ikons: Depends: kdelibs3-ssl (>= 3.0.7-2) but it is not going to be installed or
kdelibs3 (>= 3.0.7-2) but it is not going to be installed
kde-icons-locolor: Depends: kdelibs3-ssl (>= 3.0.7-2) but it is not going to be installed or
kdelibs3 (>= 3.0.7-2) but it is not going to be installed
kde-icons-slick: Depends: kdelibs3-ssl (>= 3.0.7-2) but it is not going to be installed or
kdelibs3 (>= 3.0.7-2) but it is not going to be installed
kde-icons-technical: Depends: kdelibs3-ssl (>= 3.0.7-2) but it is not going to be installed or
kdelibs3 (>= 3.0.7-2) but it is not going to be installed
E: Sorry, broken packages

Is this correct or what...doesn't seem like its completing...

[sao]

bluehz,

Weird, it should work.

What comes out with:

fink list -i --section=kde

[bluehz]

I don't know where all this crap came from - I think I must have installed kde-bundle or something at one time. Now you see why I don't do a "fink update-all"... hahaha. I am hoping that I can get rid of all the kde stuff and have a reasonable update-all that I can cron-task...

fink list -i --section=kde
Reading package info...
Information about 2099 packages read in 85 seconds.

(i) amor 3.1-2 KDE - themeable animated window toy
(i) ark 3.1-1 KDE - archive utility
(i) arts 1.1.0-9 KDE - analog realtime synthesizer
(i) arts-dev 1.1.0-9 KDE - arts development headers and libraries
(i) atlantik 3.1-1 KDE - Monopoly-like game
(i) flashkard 3.1-1 KDE - vocabulary studying tool
(i) kalzium 3.1-1 KDE - periodic table
(i) kaphorism 3.1-2 KDE - display proverbs and aphorisms
(i) karbon 1.2.1-1 KDE - vector-based drawing program
(i) kasteroids 3.1-1 KDE - asteroids clone
(i) katomic 3.1-1 KDE - sokoban-like game
(i) kbackgammon 3.1-1 KDE - backgammon board game
(i) kbattleship 3.1-1 KDE - Battleship clone
(i) kblackbox 3.1-1 KDE - Blackbox clone
(i) kbounce 3.1-1 KDE - catch moving balls
(i) kcalc 3.1-1 KDE - scientific calculator
(i) kcharselect 3.1-1 KDE - character set selector
(i) kchart 1.2.1-1 KDE - charting and diagram drawing
(i) kcoloredit 3.1-1 KDE - color palette editor
(i) kde-extra-kfile-plugin 3.1-2 extra file I/O plugins
(i) kde-extra-screensavers 3.1-1 KDE - extra screensavers
(i) kde-extra-sounds 3.1-1 KDE - extra sounds for startup and logout
(i) kde-extra-themes 3.1-1 KDE - extra window styles and themes
(i) kde-extra-wallpapers 3.1-1 KDE - extra wallpaper images
i kde-icons-crystal 3.0.7-3 KDE - "Crystal" icon set
(i) kde-icons-ikons 3.1-1 KDE - "iKons" icon set
(i) kde-icons-locolor 3.1-1 KDE - "Locolor" icon set
(i) kde-icons-slick 3.1-1 KDE - "slick" icon set
(i) kde-icons-technical 3.1-1 KDE - "Technical" icon set
(i) kde-panel-eyes 3.1-2 KDE - xeyes panel applet
(i) kde-panel-fifteen 3.1-2 KDE - moving squares panel game
(i) kde-panel-worldwatch 3.1-2 KDE - worldclock panel applet
(i) kdeartwork3 3.1-1 KDE - additional artwork
(i) kdeedu3 3.1-1 KDE - educational software
(i) kdeedu3-shlibs 3.1-1 KDE - kdeedu common shared libraries
(i) kdegames3 3.1-1 KDE - games
(i) kdegames3-common 3.1-1 KDE - game shared libraries
(i) kdegraphics3 3.1-1 KDE - graphics
(i) kdenetwork3 3.1-2 KDE - networking
(i) kdenetwork3-common 3.1-2 KDE - kdenetwork common files
(i) kdenetwork3-misc 3.1-2 KDE - other miscellaneous network applications
(i) kdepasswd 3.1-1 KDE - password changer frontend
(i) kdessh 3.1-1 KDE - ssh frontend
(i) kdetoys3 3.1-2 KDE - toys
(i) kdeutils3 3.1-1 KDE - miscellaneous utilities
(i) kdevelop 3.0a2-1 KDE - Development IDE
(i) kdf 3.1-1 KDE - disk space GUI
(i) kdvi 3.1-1 KDE - DVI print file previewer
(i) kedit 3.1-1 KDE - simple text editor
(i) keduca 3.1-1 KDE - create and revise form-based exams
(i) kenolaba 3.1-1 KDE - strategy board game
(i) kfax 3.1-1 KDE - fax file viewer
(i) kfloppy 3.1-1 KDE - floppy disk formatter
(i) kformula 1.2.1-1 KDE - formula editor
(i) kfouleggs 3.1-1 KDE - PuyoPuyo clone
(i) kgeo 3.1-1 KDE - interactive geometry
(i) kget 3.1-2 KDE - download manager
(i) kghostview 3.1-1 KDE - postscript viewer
(i) khangman 3.1-1 KDE - hangman word game
(i) khexedit 3.1-1 KDE - hex editor
(i) kiconedit 3.1-1 KDE - icon editor
(i) kit 3.1-2 KDE - AIM chat client
(i) kiten 3.1-1 KDE - Japanese reference and learning tool
(i) kivio 1.2.1-1 KDE - flowchart program
(i) kjots 3.1-1 KDE - small note taker
(i) kjumpingcube 3.1-1 KDE - tactical game
(i) klettres 3.1-1 KDE - multi-language alphabet learning aid
(i) klickety 3.1-1 KDE - Tetris-like game
(i) klines 3.1-1 KDE - Color Lines-like logic game
(i) kmahjongg 3.1-1 KDE - pick-up game based on the ancient mandarin Mah Jong
(i) kmail 3.1-2 KDE - mail client
i kmathtool 3.0.7-3 KDE - a collection of small math tools
(i) kmessedwords 3.1-1 KDE - mind-training word game
(i) kmines 3.1-1 KDE - minesweeper-like game
(i) kmoon 3.1-2 KDE - moon phases
(i) kmplot 3.1-1 KDE - mathematical function plotter
(i) knewsticker 3.1-2 KDE - news ticker
(i) knode 3.1-2 KDE - nntp news reader
i knorskverbs 3.0.7-3 KDE - learn Norwegian verb conjugation
(i) kodo 3.1-2 KDE - desktop mileage odometer
(i) koffice 1.2.1-1 KDE - office suite
(i) koffice-common 1.2.1-1 KDE - files used by all of KOffice
(i) kolf 3.1-1 KDE - mini-golf game
(i) konquest 3.1-1 KDE - multi-player strategic war game
(i) kontour 1.2.1-1 KDE - vector drawing program
(i) korn 3.1-2 KDE - new mail notification
(i) kpaint 3.1-1 KDE - graphic editor
(i) kpat 3.1-1 KDE - collection of solitaire-like card games
(i) kpercentage 3.1-1 KDE - practice calculating percentages
(i) kpf 3.1-2 KDE - personal fileserver
(i) kpoker 3.1-1 KDE - poker card game
(i) kpovmodeler 3.1-1 KDE - 3D modeler and composer
(i) kpresenter 1.2.1-1 KDE - PowerPoint-like presentation app
(i) krdc 3.1-2 KDE - remote desktop client (VNC)
(i) kregexpeditor 3.1-1 KDE - regular expression editor kpart
(i) kreversi 3.1-1 KDE - reversi clone
(i) krfb 3.1-2 KDE - remote desktop server (VNC)
(i) kruler 3.1-1 KDE - distance and color measurement
(i) ksame 3.1-1 KDE - simple game inspired by SameGame
(i) kshisen 3.1-1 KDE - Shisen-So - a Mah Jong-like game
i ksim 3.0.7-3 KDE - system monitor
(i) ksirc 3.1-2 KDE - graphical IRC client
(i) ksirtet 3.1-1 KDE - Tetris clone
(i) ksmiletris 3.1-1 KDE - Tetris clone
(i) ksnake 3.1-1 KDE - snake race played against the computer
(i) ksnapshot 3.1-1 KDE - screenshot utility
(i) ksokoban 3.1-1 KDE - sokoban-like game
(i) kspaceduel 3.1-1 KDE - 2-player space arcade game
(i) kspread 1.2.1-1 KDE - spreadsheet
(i) kstars 3.1-1 KDE - desktop planetarium
(i) ktalk 3.1-2 KDE - UNIX chat client and server
(i) kteatime 3.1-2 KDE - tea timer
(i) ktimer 3.1-1 KDE - timer
(i) ktouch 3.1-1 KDE - touch-typing tutor

[bluehz]

(continued)

(i) ktron 3.1-1 KDE - simple Tron clone
(i) ktuberling 3.1-1 KDE - Mr. Potato Head-like game
(i) ktux 3.1-2 KDE - screensaver with tux the penguin
(i) kugar 1.2.1-1 KDE - business report viewer and creator
(i) kuickshow 3.1-1 KDE - slideshow application
(i) kverbos 3.1-1 KDE - spanish verb form study aid
(i) kview 3.1-1 KDE - image viewer
(i) kvoctrain 3.1-1 KDE - vocabulary training tool
(i) kwikdisk 3.1-1 KDE - mount and unmount disks
(i) kwin4 3.1-1 KDE - Connect-4 clone
(i) kword 1.2.1-1 KDE - word processor
(i) kworldclock 3.1-2 KDE - international clock
(i) kworldclock-maps 3.1-1 KDE - extra maps for kworldclock
(i) kxmlrpcd 3.1-2 KDE - inter-process communcation server
(i) lisa 3.1-2 KDE - network neighborhood browser
(i) lskat 3.1-1 KDE - 2-player card game like Offiziersskat
(i) megami 3.1-1 KDE - blackjack card game

[sao]

bluehz,

'sudo apt-get remove arts' worked well for me before.

This looks like a situation where a binary package depends on a package that does not exist in binary form because of some other issues.

Or a package that didn't got built properly.

Well, I see kdelib3-ssl is gone.

Try:

'sudo dpkg --purge arts'

If it doesn't work, copy the error messages from your 'sudo apt-get remove arts' and post at 'fink users' or email Benjamin Reed (KDE package maintainer)

[bluehz]

thx sao - posted to fink-users ...

[bluehz]

Received a reply from someone onthe fink-user list... I hope he doesn't mind me quoting him/her here:To remove packages XXX forcefully, do the following:

dpkg -r --ignore-depends XXX

See "man dpkg" for more detail. "dpkg --purge" was near, but not exact. ;-)

Basically, KDE is provided via a few ****-packages like:

bundle-kde
kdebase3
kdeutils3

So, you don't need to select all programs to remove.

Thats a bit confusing for me though. What should I use for the XXX in the above command? Shoudl I use "arts"?

[bluehz]

Ok I am definitely befuddled now! I requested what I should use as XXX in above command and was instructed:I would suggest a try to do "fink remove bundle-kde bundle-koffice" or
"fink remove bundle-kde-ssl" if you have SSL-enabled version.

With dpkg, exactly what you need to remove isn't clear, but the tip is
this:

1. first try "dpkg -r kdebase3" or whatever you like without
"--ignore-depends" option. This gives you a lot of dependency warnings
2. Add all the packages to kdebase3. This should eventually exhaust the
list.

To me this sounds like a peck and shoot method. Keep shooting until you hit something... then see where the thread of "can't remove dependecies" takes you.

I only appeared to have the bundle-kde-ssl installed so just for the heck of it I tried:

dpkg -r bundle-kde-ssl

and that seemed to complete fine, but didn't really affect the fink list - still have all sorts of fink crap.

Also - I tried removing "arts" and one of the errors indicating a dependency was for mplayer. I use mplayer so I don't really want to disable that - but it doesn't even appear to me to be a kde app.

So the long and short of this is still.... how can I easily remove all kde elements without destroying my fink installation?

[sao]

bluehz,

Yes, Kow advice was a bit confusing and tentative. I also gather from his posts that you should try your luck with different commands.

Try running:

'fink remove bundle-kde-ssl'

'fink remove koffice'

And let me know what comes out.

The command to forcefully remove packages that I use mostly is:

'dpkg -r --force-depends package-name'

Which removes by force an installed package, except the configuration files and turn all dependencies into warnings.

(I still believe 'sudo apt get remove arts' should have worked, something must have gone wrong somewhere)

[bluehz]

fink remove bundle-kde-ssl
sudo /sw/bin/fink remove bundle-kde-ssl
Password:
Reading package info...
Information about 2099 packages read in 52 seconds.

dpkg --remove bundle-kde-ssl
dpkg - warning: ignoring request to remove bundle-kde-ssl which isn't installed.
[g4:~] % fink remove koffice
sudo /sw/bin/fink remove koffice
Password:
Reading package info...
Information about 2099 packages read in 53 seconds.

dpkg --remove koffice
(Reading database ... 50665 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing koffice ...

then I ran fink index ; fink list | grep kde and got:
bundle-kde 3.1-3 KDE convenience package: KDE 3.1
bundle-kde-i18n 3.1-1 KDE convenience package: all language files
bundle-kde-ssl 3.1-3 KDE convenience package: KDE 3.1 (SSL support)
(i) kde-extra-kfile-plugins 3.1-2 extra file I/O plugins
(i) kde-extra-screensavers 3.1-1 KDE - extra screensavers
(i) kde-extra-sounds 3.1-1 KDE - extra sounds for startup and logout
(i) kde-extra-themes 3.1-1 KDE - extra window styles and themes
(i) kde-extra-wallpapers 3.1-1 KDE - extra wallpaper images
kde-i18n-afrikaans 3.1-1 KDE language files for Afrikaans
kde-i18n-arabic 3.1-1 KDE language files for Arabic
kde-i18n-azerbaijani 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Azerbaijani
kde-i18n-basque 3.1-1 KDE language files for Basque
kde-i18n-belarusian 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Belarusian
kde-i18n-bosnian 3.1-1 KDE language files for Bosnian
kde-i18n-brazilian-portugese 3.1-1 KDE language files for Brazilian Portugese
kde-i18n-breton 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Breton
kde-i18n-bulgarian 3.1-1 KDE language files for Bulgarian
kde-i18n-catalan 3.1-1 KDE language files for Catalan
kde-i18n-chinese 3.1-1 KDE language files for Chinese
kde-i18n-chinese-simplified 3.1-1 KDE language files for Chinese Simplified
kde-i18n-croatian 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Croatian
kde-i18n-czech 3.1-1 KDE language files for Czech
kde-i18n-danish 3.1-1 KDE language files for Danish
kde-i18n-dutch 3.1-1 KDE language files for Dutch
kde-i18n-esperanto 3.1-1 KDE language files for Esperanto
kde-i18n-estonian 3.1-1 KDE language files for Estonian
kde-i18n-faroese 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Faroese
kde-i18n-farsi 3.1-1 KDE language files for Farsi
kde-i18n-finnish 3.1-1 KDE language files for Finnish
kde-i18n-french 3.1-1 KDE language files for French
kde-i18n-galician 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Galician
kde-i18n-german 3.1-1 KDE language files for German
kde-i18n-greek 3.1-1 KDE language files for Greek
kde-i18n-hebrew 3.1-1 KDE language files for Hebrew
kde-i18n-hungarian 3.1-1 KDE language files for Hungarian
kde-i18n-icelandic 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Icelandic
kde-i18n-indonesian 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Indonesian
kde-i18n-irish-gaelic 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Irish Gaelic
kde-i18n-italian 3.1-1 KDE language files for Italian
kde-i18n-japanese 3.1-1 KDE language files for Japanese
kde-i18n-korean 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Korean
kde-i18n-kurdish 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Kurdish
kde-i18n-latvian 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Latvian
kde-i18n-lithuanian 3.1-1 KDE language files for Lithuanian
kde-i18n-macedonian 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Macedonian
kde-i18n-maltese 3.1-1 KDE language files for Maltese
kde-i18n-maori 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Maori
kde-i18n-northern-sotho 3.1-1 KDE language files for Northern Sotho
kde-i18n-norwegian-bokmaal 3.1-1 KDE language files for Norwegian Bokmaal
kde-i18n-norwegian-nynorsk 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Norwegian (Nynorsk)
kde-i18n-norwegian-nyorsk 3.1-1 KDE language files for Norwegian Nyorsk
kde-i18n-occitan 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Occitan
kde-i18n-polish 3.1-1 KDE language files for Polish
kde-i18n-portugese 3.1-1 KDE language files for Portugese
kde-i18n-romanian 3.1-1 KDE language files for Romanian
kde-i18n-russian 3.1-1 KDE language files for Russian
kde-i18n-serbian 3.1-1 KDE language files for Serbian
kde-i18n-slovak 3.1-1 KDE language files for Slovak
kde-i18n-slovenian 3.1-1 KDE language files for Slovenian
kde-i18n-spanish 3.1-1 KDE language files for Spanish
kde-i18n-swedish 3.1-1 KDE language files for Swedish
kde-i18n-tamil 3.1-1 KDE language files for Tamil
kde-i18n-thai 3.1-1 KDE language files for Thai
kde-i18n-turkish 3.1-1 KDE language files for Turkish
kde-i18n-uk-english 3.1-1 KDE language files for UK English
kde-i18n-ukranian 3.1-1 KDE language files for Ukranian
kde-i18n-venda 3.1-1 KDE language files for Venda
kde-i18n-vietnamese 3.1-1 KDE language files for Vietnamese
kde-i18n-walloon 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Walloon
kde-i18n-welsh 3.0.7-1 KDE language files for Welsh
kde-i18n-xhosa 3.1-1 KDE language files for Xhosa
kde-i18n-zulu 3.1-1 KDE language files for Zulu
kde-icons-classic 3.1-1 KDE - "Classic" icon set
i kde-icons-crystal 3.0.7-3 KDE - "Crystal" icon set
(i) kde-icons-ikons 3.1-1 KDE - "iKons" icon set
(i) kde-icons-locolor 3.1-1 KDE - "Locolor" icon set
(i) kde-icons-slick 3.1-1 KDE - "slick" icon set
(i) kde-icons-technical 3.1-1 KDE - "Technical" icon set
kde-kfile-image-plugins 3.1-1 plugins for graphics file I/O
(i) kde-panel-eyes 3.1-2 KDE - xeyes panel applet
(i) kde-panel-fifteen 3.1-2 KDE - moving squares panel game
(i) kde-panel-worldwatch 3.1-2 KDE - worldclock panel applet
kdeaccounts-plugin 3.1-1 KDE - manage KDE CVS accounts
(i) kdeartwork3 3.1-1 KDE - additional artwork
kdeartwork3-base 3.1-1 KDE - kdeartwork base package
kdebase3 3.1-1 KDE - base system
kdebase3-dev 3.1-1 KDE - base development headers and libraries
kdebase3-shlibs 3.1-1 KDE - base shared libraries
(i) kdebase3-ssl 3.1-1 KDE - base system
(i) kdebase3-ssl-dev 3.1-1 KDE - base development headers and libraries
kdebase3-ssl-shlibs 3.1-1 KDE - base shared libraries
i kdebindings3 3.0.2-1 KDE - Language Bindings
kdeedu3 3.1-1 KDE - educational software
kdeedu3-base 3.1-1 KDE - kdeedu base package
kdeedu3-dev 3.1-1 KDE - kdeedu development headers and libraries
(i) kdeedu3-shlibs 3.1-1 KDE - kdeedu common shared libraries
(i) kdegames3 3.1-1 KDE - games
kdegames3-base 3.1-1 KDE - kdegames base package
(i) kdegames3-common 3.1-1 KDE - game shared libraries
kdegames3-dev 3.1-1 KDE - kdegames development headers and libraries
(i) kdegraphics3 3.1-1 KDE - graphics
kdegraphics3-base 3.1-1 kdegraphics base package
kdelibs3 3.1-1 KDE - essential libraries
kdelibs3-dev 3.1-1 KDE - essential development libraries and headers
kdelibs3-shlibs 3.1-1 KDE - essential shared libraries
(i) kdelibs3-ssl 3.1-1 KDE - essential libraries
(i) kdelibs3-ssl-dev 3.1-1 KDE - essential development libraries and headers
kdelibs3-ssl-shlibs 3.1-1 KDE - essential shared libraries
(i) kdenetwork3 3.1-2 KDE - networking
kdenetwork3-base 3.1-2 KDE - kdenetwork base package
(i) kdenetwork3-common 3.1-2 KDE - kdenetwork common files
kdenetwork3-dev 3.1-2 network development libraries and headers
(i) kdenetwork3-misc 3.1-2 KDE - other miscellaneous network applications
(i) kdepasswd 3.1-1 KDE - password changer frontend
kdepim3 3.1-1 KDE - tools for managing personal information management
kdepim3-base 3.1-1 KDE - kdepim base package
kdepim3-common 3.1-1 KDE - kdepim common files
kdepim3-dev 3.1-1 KDE - kdepim development headers and libraries
kdesdk3 3.1-1 KDE - tools for developers
kdesdk3-base 3.1-1 KDE - kdesdk base package
kdesdk3-dev 3.1-1 KDE - kdesdk development headers and libraries
kdesdk3-extra-kfile-plugins 3.1-1 KDE - extra kfile plugins from kdesdk
kdesdk3-scripts 3.1-1 KDE - various development-related scripts
(i) kdessh 3.1-1 KDE - ssh frontend
(i) kdetoys3 3.1-2 KDE - toys
kdetoys3-base 3.1-2 KDE - kdetoys base package
(i) kdeutils3 3.1-1 KDE - miscellaneous utilities
kdeutils3-base 3.1-1 KDE - kdeutils base package
kdeutils3-dev 3.1-1 kdeutils development headers and libraries
(i) kdevelop 3.0a2-1 KDE - Development IDE

[bluehz]

Just for the heck of it I tried your suggestion with kdebase3-ssl also

fink remove kdebase3-ssl
sudo /sw/bin/fink remove kdebase3-ssl
Password:
Reading package info...
Information about 2099 packages read in 67 seconds.

dpkg --remove kdebase3-ssl
dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of kdebase3-ssl:
kdegraphics3 depends on kdebase3-ssl (>= 3.0.7-3) | kdebase3 (>= 3.0.7-3); however:
Package kdebase3-ssl is to be removed.
Package kdebase3 is not installed.
kdetoys3 depends on kdebase3-ssl (>= 3.0.7-3) | kdebase3 (>= 3.0.7-3); however:
Package kdebase3-ssl is to be removed.
Package kdebase3 is not installed.
koffice-common depends on kdebase3-ssl (>= 3.0.7-3) | kdebase3 (>= 3.0.7-3); however:
Package kdebase3-ssl is to be removed.
Package kdebase3 is not installed.
kdeutils3 depends on kdebase3-ssl (>= 3.0.7-3) | kdebase3 (>= 3.0.7-3); however:
Package kdebase3-ssl is to be removed.
Package kdebase3 is not installed.
kdenetwork3 depends on kdebase3-ssl (>= 3.0.7-3) | kdebase3 (>= 3.0.7-3); however:
Package kdebase3-ssl is to be removed.
Package kdebase3 is not installed.
kdegames3 depends on kdebase3-ssl (>= 3.0.7-3) | kdebase3 (>= 3.0.7-3); however:
Package kdebase3-ssl is to be removed.
Package kdebase3 is not installed.
kdevelop depends on kdebase3-ssl (>= 3.0.2-1) | kdebase3 (>= 3.0.2-1); however:
Package kdebase3-ssl is to be removed.
Package kdebase3 is not installed.
kde-extra-themes depends on kdebase3-ssl (>= 3.0.7-2) | kdebase3 (>= 3.0.7-2); however:
Package kdebase3-ssl is to be removed.
Package kdebase3 is not installed.
kdebindings3 depends on kdebase3-ssl (>= 3.0.2-1).
kdebase3-ssl-dev depends on kdebase3-ssl (>= 3.0.7-3).
kdeartwork3 depends on kdebase3-ssl (>= 3.0.7-2) | kdebase3 (>= 3.0.7-2); however:
Package kdebase3-ssl is to be removed.
Package kdebase3 is not installed.
dpkg: error processing kdebase3-ssl (--remove):
dependency problems - not removing
Errors were encountered while processing:
kdebase3-ssl
### execution of dpkg failed, exit code 1
Failed: can't remove package kdebase3-ssl

[sao]

bluehz,

What a mess!

Tell me what gives now:

'fink list -i --section=kde'

[Glanz]

Originally posted by sao

What a mess!


..... and I thought I had problems! Silly me. :confused:

[sao]

bluehz,

Try:

'fink remove kdebase3-ssl kdegraphics3 kdetoys3 koffice-common kdeutils3 kdenetwork3 kdenetwork3-common kdenetwork3-misc kdegames3 kdevelop kde-extra-themes kdebindings3 kdebase3-ssl-dev kdeartwork3 kdeedu3-shlibs kdegames3 kdegames3-common kdelibs3-ssl kdelibs3-ssl-dev kdepasswd'

and if it doesn't work.......try:

'sudo dpkg -r --force-depends kdebase3-ssl kdegraphics3 kdetoys3 koffice-common kdeutils3 kdenetwork3 kdenetwork3-common kdenetwork3-misc kdegames3 kdevelop kde-extra-themes kdebindings3 kdebase3-ssl-dev kdeartwork3 kdeedu3-shlibs kdegames3 kdegames3-common kdelibs3-ssl kdelibs3-ssl-dev kdepasswd'

[bluehz]

sao - ran the first suggestion and got lots of error about dependencies, culminating in this:### execution of dpkg failed, exit code 1
Failed: can't batch-remove packages: kdebase3-ssl kdegraphics3
kdetoys3 koffice-common kdeutils3 kdenetwork3
kdenetwork3-common kdenetwork3-misc kdegames3
kdevelop kde-extra-themes kdebindings3 kdebase3-ssl-dev
kdeartwork3 kdeedu3-shlibs kdegames3 kdegames3-common
kdelibs3-ssl kdelibs3-ssl-dev kdepasswd
[g4:~] cposey% sudo dpkg -r --force-depends kdebase3-ssl
kdegraphics3 kdetoys3 koffice-common
kdeutils3 kdenetwork3 kdenetwork3-common kdenetwork3-misc
kdegames3 kdevelop kde-extra-themes kdebindings3
kdebase3-ssl-dev kdeartwork3 kdeedu3-shlibs kdegames3
kdegames3-common kdelibs3-ssl kdelibs3-ssl-dev kdepasswd

ran the 2nd command and it listed a lot of /sw/share dir not removed because they contained item, but ultimately it appeared to complete.... but I don't think so:(i) amor 3.1-2 KDE - themeable animated window toy
(i) ark 3.1-1 KDE - archive utility
(i) arts 1.1.0-9 KDE - analog realtime synthesizer
(i) arts-dev 1.1.0-9 KDE - arts development headers and libraries
(i) atlantik 3.1-1 KDE - Monopoly-like game
(i) flashkard 3.1-1 KDE - vocabulary studying tool
(i) kaphorism 3.1-2 KDE - display proverbs and aphorisms
(i) karbon 1.2.1-1 KDE - vector-based drawing program
(i) kasteroids 3.1-1 KDE - asteroids clone
(i) katomic 3.1-1 KDE - sokoban-like game
(i) kbackgammon 3.1-1 KDE - backgammon board game
(i) kbattleship 3.1-1 KDE - Battleship clone
(i) kblackbox 3.1-1 KDE - Blackbox clone
(i) kbounce 3.1-1 KDE - catch moving balls
(i) kcalc 3.1-1 KDE - scientific calculator
(i) kcharselect 3.1-1 KDE - character set selector
(i) kchart 1.2.1-1 KDE - charting and diagram drawing
(i) kcoloredit 3.1-1 KDE - color palette editor
(i) kde-extra-kfile-plugins 3.1-2 extra file I/O plugins
(i) kde-extra-screensavers 3.1-1 KDE - extra screensavers
(i) kde-extra-sounds 3.1-1 KDE - extra sounds for startup and logout
(i) kde-extra-wallpapers 3.1-1 KDE - extra wallpaper images
(i) kde-icons-ikons 3.1-1 KDE - "iKons" icon set
(i) kde-icons-locolor 3.1-1 KDE - "Locolor" icon set
(i) kde-icons-slick 3.1-1 KDE - "slick" icon set
(i) kde-icons-technical 3.1-1 KDE - "Technical" icon set
(i) kde-panel-eyes 3.1-2 KDE - xeyes panel applet
(i) kde-panel-fifteen 3.1-2 KDE - moving squares panel game
(i) kde-panel-worldwatch 3.1-2 KDE - worldclock panel applet
(i) kdessh 3.1-1 KDE - ssh frontend
(i) kdf 3.1-1 KDE - disk space GUI
(i) kdvi 3.1-1 KDE - DVI print file previewer
(i) kedit 3.1-1 KDE - simple text editor
(i) keduca 3.1-1 KDE - create and revise form-based exams
(i) kenolaba 3.1-1 KDE - strategy board game
(i) kfax 3.1-1 KDE - fax file viewer
(i) kfloppy 3.1-1 KDE - floppy disk formatter
(i) kformula 1.2.1-1 KDE - formula editor
(i) kfouleggs 3.1-1 KDE - PuyoPuyo clone
(i) kgeo 3.1-1 KDE - interactive geometry
(i) kget 3.1-2 KDE - download manager
(i) kghostview 3.1-1 KDE - postscript viewer
(i) khangman 3.1-1 KDE - hangman word game
(i) khexedit 3.1-1 KDE - hex editor
(i) kiconedit 3.1-1 KDE - icon editor
(i) kit 3.1-2 KDE - AIM chat client
(i) kiten 3.1-1 KDE - Japanese reference and learning tool
(i) kivio 1.2.1-1 KDE - flowchart program
(i) kjots 3.1-1 KDE - small note taker
(i) kjumpingcube 3.1-1 KDE - tactical game
(i) klettres 3.1-1 KDE - multi-language alphabet learning aid
(i) klickety 3.1-1 KDE - Tetris-like game
(i) klines 3.1-1 KDE - Color Lines-like logic game
(i) kmahjongg 3.1-1 KDE - pick-up game based on the ancient mandarin Mah Jong
(i) kmail 3.1-2 KDE - mail client
(i) kmessedwords 3.1-1 KDE - mind-training word game
(i) kmines 3.1-1 KDE - minesweeper-like game
(i) kmoon 3.1-2 KDE - moon phases
(i) kmplot 3.1-1 KDE - mathematical function plotter
(i) knewsticker 3.1-2 KDE - news ticker
(i) knode 3.1-2 KDE - nntp news reader
(i) kodo 3.1-2 KDE - desktop mileage odometer
(i) kolf 3.1-1 KDE - mini-golf game
(i) konquest 3.1-1 KDE - multi-player strategic war game
(i) kontour 1.2.1-1 KDE - vector drawing program
(i) korn 3.1-2 KDE - new mail notification
(i) kpaint 3.1-1 KDE - graphic editor
(i) kpat 3.1-1 KDE - collection of solitaire-like card games
(i) kpercentage 3.1-1 KDE - practice calculating percentages
(i) kpf 3.1-2 KDE - personal fileserver
(i) kpoker 3.1-1 KDE - poker card game
(i) kpovmodeler 3.1-1 KDE - 3D modeler and composer
(i) kpresenter 1.2.1-1 KDE - PowerPoint-like presentation app
(i) krdc 3.1-2 KDE - remote desktop client (VNC)
(i) kregexpeditor 3.1-1 KDE - regular expression editor kpart
(i) kreversi 3.1-1 KDE - reversi clone
(i) krfb 3.1-2 KDE - remote desktop server (VNC)
(i) kruler 3.1-1 KDE - distance and color measurement
(i) ksame 3.1-1 KDE - simple game inspired by SameGame
(i) kshisen 3.1-1 KDE - Shisen-So - a Mah Jong-like game
(i) ksirc 3.1-2 KDE - graphical IRC client
(i) ksirtet 3.1-1 KDE - Tetris clone
(i) ksmiletris 3.1-1 KDE - Tetris clone
(i) ksnake 3.1-1 KDE - snake race played against the computer
(i) ksnapshot 3.1-1 KDE - screenshot utility
(i) ksokoban 3.1-1 KDE - sokoban-like game
(i) kspaceduel 3.1-1 KDE - 2-player space arcade game
(i) kspread 1.2.1-1 KDE - spreadsheet
(i) kstars 3.1-1 KDE - desktop planetarium
(i) ktalk 3.1-2 KDE - UNIX chat client and server
(i) kteatime 3.1-2 KDE - tea timer
(i) ktimer 3.1-1 KDE - timer
(i) ktouch 3.1-1 KDE - touch-typing tutor
(i) ktron 3.1-1 KDE - simple Tron clone
(i) ktuberling 3.1-1 KDE - Mr. Potato Head-like game
(i) ktux 3.1-2 KDE - screensaver with tux the penguin
(i) kugar 1.2.1-1 KDE - business report viewer and creator
(i) kuickshow 3.1-1 KDE - slideshow application
(i) kverbos 3.1-1 KDE - spanish verb form study aid
(i) kview 3.1-1 KDE - image viewer
(i) kvoctrain 3.1-1 KDE - vocabulary training tool
(i) kwikdisk 3.1-1 KDE - mount and unmount disks
(i) kwin4 3.1-1 KDE - Connect-4 clone
(i) kword 1.2.1-1 KDE - word processor
(i) kworldclock 3.1-2 KDE - international clock
(i) kworldclock-maps 3.1-1 KDE - extra maps for kworldclock
(i) kxmlrpcd 3.1-2 KDE - inter-process communcation server
(i) lisa 3.1-2 KDE - network neighborhood browser
(i) lskat 3.1-1 KDE - 2-player card game like Offiziersskat
(i) megami 3.1-1 KDE - blackjack card game

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[sao]

bluehz,

Well, at least it got rid of the main packages. I haven't seen anything like this before. What happens when you do now

'sudo apt-get remove arts'


I read at fink-users the advice from Alexander Hansen to useFinkCommander because you could then highlight everything (except arts) in the kde section and uninstall it.

[bluehz]

I really want to keep the arts pkg as it is req for mplayer. I think I am going to use the finkCommander suggestion - forgot all about the GUI - so used to the CLI.

I find it hard to believe though that I am the first person to ever remove kde - I thought this would be simple!

[bluehz]

Ok - went through with FinkCommander - removed all binary and source. Then did fink index and checked - there all still there. WTH! Its like the THING that wouldn't die!

Ok wait - I filtered via NAME contains kde in FinkCommander, once I filtered via PACKAGE = kde in FC I see the remaining I need to delete...

[sao]

bluehz,

What I know is that to remove kde as recommended by Benjamin Reed (the fink 'kde' maintainer) the best was to run 'sudo apt-get remove arts'. I did it once, and read about several people who did it without any trouble.

In your case, I have no idea why it didn't work. Weird...

Anyhow, great to have FinkCommander around.