Suspend OSX, run Windows XP Boot Camp, Resume OSX: Possible?

anika123 · 11-03-2009, 02:30 PM

ya know, if the hibernate thing creates one big file then I dont see why this could not be done in Apple script. Wait couple of thoughts.

Since you are leaving osx you would have to have some way of booting the hibernation file. I guess you could use apples open boot-123 app to somehow boot your file.

tlarkin · 11-03-2009, 04:26 PM

What is the higher goal here? You would want to clean boot into the OS each time to get all resources cleared when switching from different OSes....

You just trying to get rid of boot times here?

ooglek · 11-03-2009, 10:58 PM

anika123: I'll look into openboot-123, but I suspect that's not going to do it.

tlarkin: The higher goal is to suspend all my open and running apps in OSX, boot into Windows to play video games, then exit windows and resume OSX without having to restart all my apps and get back to where I had left off.

I tried running Windows in a VM and though it worked, the frame rate was too painful.

tlarkin · 11-04-2009, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by ooglek


	anika123: I'll look into openboot-123, but I suspect that's not going to do it. tlarkin: The higher goal is to suspend all my open and running apps in OSX, boot into Windows to play video games, then exit windows and resume OSX without having to restart all my apps and get back to where I had left off. I tried running Windows in a VM and though it worked, the frame rate was too painful.

I am not sure if this is possible nor would I think it would give you real good performance. Something would still have to be running in the background to wake it.

I think that the best practice is still to do the rebooting, or do what I do, and that is just build a PC for gaming. You will get way more for your dollar if you just build a PC for gaming and you can get a higher end video card.

gonx · 11-09-2009, 11:19 PM

I want to do exactly what OOGLEK wants to do and for the exact same reason. I just installed Windows 7 tonight and am trying to figure out the quick booting back and forth without a complete shutdown so I can pick up where I left off. I also saw the article from 2007 that mentions this would be possible and yet now that I'm trying to implement it I can't find a way. Since Bootcamp is running in both OSes it seems plausible that they could communicate and know if there is a hibernate/sleep file waiting to be restored if you were to switch back to the other OS.

It's not about having a cheaper or better gaming rig it's about consolidation. I just have my laptop and got rid of all of my home servers and desktops because they just take maintenance and I think we can move past that in this day and age. Live in the cloud and get by on 1 laptop.

The main reason you can't always live in Snow Leopard is games (that and Mouse Acceleration, Mouse Focus, Google Chrome only has a developer build for Mac, and just like the iPhone owns the mobile app market... Windows owns the desktop app market). I play Warcraft III and even though it is ported to Mac I like to play the mods and several of the ones I play will crash Snow Leopard. It's just not good enough. Having both OSes at your fingertips is brilliant and it would be nice if they could switch back and forth like we want. Hopefully this will become a reality soon. Thanks for everyone's comments on this and especially to OOGLEK for making the post.

ooglek · 11-10-2009, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tlarkin


	I am not sure if this is possible nor would I think it would give you real good performance. Something would still have to be running in the background to wake it. I think that the best practice is still to do the rebooting, or do what I do, and that is just build a PC for gaming. You will get way more for your dollar if you just build a PC for gaming and you can get a higher end video card.

Not really. AFAIK, the OS writes its state to disk then turns off so you can lose power, move your PC over to another outlet (or another country) then boot it back up and be right where you left off.

If that only writes to the partition that OSX is on, and is simply a flag that says if it is suspended, then if you boot from a different partition, it won't be affected. Nothing would have to be running in the background -- it's all written to disk!

It seems silly to buy a second computer when I can get a great video card for the Mac Pro, and benefit both in Windows and OSX.

Quote:


	Mac Pro Three open full-length PCI Express expansion slots5 o One PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot o Two PCI Express 2.0 x4 slots * All slots provide mechanical support for 16-lane cards * 300W combined maximum for all PCI Express slots -- # Double-wide, 16-lane PCI Express 2.0 graphics slot with one of the following graphics cards installed: * NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 with 512MB of GDDR3 memory, PCI Express 2.0, one Mini DisplayPort, and one dual-link DVI port * ATI Radeon HD 4870 with 512MB of GDDR5 memory, PCI Express 2.0, one Mini DisplayPort, and one dual-link DVI port Intel Xeon # Multiple graphics card configurations available with two, three, or four NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 cards # Support for up to eight 30-inch displays 1 # Support for digital resolutions up to 2560 by 1600 pixels

http://www.apple.com/macpro/specs.html

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	All-new high-performance graphics cards from AMD and NVIDIA make Mac Pro graphics technology faster than before. Perfect for motion graphics, 3D modeling, rendering, or animation, the NVIDIA GeForce GT 120 with 512MB of GDDR3 memory comes standard — and provides up to 2.9x the performance of previous Mac Pro standard graphics cards.

http://www.apple.com/macpro/features/graphics.html

I'm not entirely sure what cards I can get, but I've read a few articles that say I can flash any 4870 and it will work in OSX. Don't know about any other cards, but the 4870 isn't bad.

tlarkin · 11-10-2009, 11:41 PM

Well I built a PC for windows apps and gaming, so that is what I did. I ended up getting a GTX 260 video card, and I run all games on the highest settings at the highest resolution. Giving Dragonage Origins a run on my PC now as we speak.

I've flashed a few PC cards in my time for Macs, and for the most part they have worked out rather well. Haven't done it in a while and it requires a PC to do it, plus you have to have two video cards. One video card to boot from and of course the second one to flash.

As far as your suspend idea, well I am not sure how to do that. You can look at some system binaries maybe that help deal with power, but you would have to be able to control the EFI some how. Since the EFI is what helps the machine boot.

I am at a loss on your question, sorry I could not be of more help.

11-03-2009, 02:30 PM	#1
anika123 All Star Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 696	ya know, if the hibernate thing creates one big file then I dont see why this could not be done in Apple script. Wait couple of thoughts. Since you are leaving osx you would have to have some way of booting the hibernation file. I guess you could use apples open boot-123 app to somehow boot your file. __________________ Snow Leopard 10.6, MacBookPro1,1

11-03-2009, 04:26 PM	#2
tlarkin League Commissioner Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kansas City Posts: 9,629	What is the higher goal here? You would want to clean boot into the OS each time to get all resources cleared when switching from different OSes.... You just trying to get rid of boot times here? __________________ http://www.tlarkin.com (it is under construction)

11-10-2009, 11:41 PM	#7
tlarkin League Commissioner Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kansas City Posts: 9,629	Well I built a PC for windows apps and gaming, so that is what I did. I ended up getting a GTX 260 video card, and I run all games on the highest settings at the highest resolution. Giving Dragonage Origins a run on my PC now as we speak. I've flashed a few PC cards in my time for Macs, and for the most part they have worked out rather well. Haven't done it in a while and it requires a PC to do it, plus you have to have two video cards. One video card to boot from and of course the second one to flash. As far as your suspend idea, well I am not sure how to do that. You can look at some system binaries maybe that help deal with power, but you would have to be able to control the EFI some how. Since the EFI is what helps the machine boot. I am at a loss on your question, sorry I could not be of more help. __________________ http://www.tlarkin.com (it is under construction)

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11-03-2009, 10:58 PM	#3
ooglek Prospect Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 8	anika123: I'll look into openboot-123, but I suspect that's not going to do it. tlarkin: The higher goal is to suspend all my open and running apps in OSX, boot into Windows to play video games, then exit windows and resume OSX without having to restart all my apps and get back to where I had left off. I tried running Windows in a VM and though it worked, the frame rate was too painful.

11-09-2009, 11:19 PM	#5
gonx Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1	I want to do exactly what OOGLEK wants to do and for the exact same reason. I just installed Windows 7 tonight and am trying to figure out the quick booting back and forth without a complete shutdown so I can pick up where I left off. I also saw the article from 2007 that mentions this would be possible and yet now that I'm trying to implement it I can't find a way. Since Bootcamp is running in both OSes it seems plausible that they could communicate and know if there is a hibernate/sleep file waiting to be restored if you were to switch back to the other OS. It's not about having a cheaper or better gaming rig it's about consolidation. I just have my laptop and got rid of all of my home servers and desktops because they just take maintenance and I think we can move past that in this day and age. Live in the cloud and get by on 1 laptop. The main reason you can't always live in Snow Leopard is games (that and Mouse Acceleration, Mouse Focus, Google Chrome only has a developer build for Mac, and just like the iPhone owns the mobile app market... Windows owns the desktop app market). I play Warcraft III and even though it is ported to Mac I like to play the mods and several of the ones I play will crash Snow Leopard. It's just not good enough. Having both OSes at your fingertips is brilliant and it would be nice if they could switch back and forth like we want. Hopefully this will become a reality soon. Thanks for everyone's comments on this and especially to OOGLEK for making the post.