iWeb 1.0 and HomePage

mclbruce · 01-15-2006, 11:18 PM

Here are my observations on iWeb and how it works with iPhoto and .mac.

iWeb faulty color management - JPEGs are published with my monitor profile! There is noticeable color shifting from original images.

iWeb slide show too cluttered and distracting - The worse your pictures are, the more you will like the slide show effects. There is no way to turn off the "reflection" of the photo in the slide show. This is a step backward from HomePage. The workaround for this is to save all pages to disk and then drag and drop them to .mac. Yes, if you save the pages to disk you can use them on sites other than .mac.

.mac URLs are too long - If comcast can give me myusername.home.comcast.net then Apple can do better than homepage.mac.com/myusernam/web/iweb/mysitename.

iWeb has no easy way to create directories of photo albums - This is something that HomePage is pretty good at.

iWeb: 12 templates, 6 web page types. HomePage: up to 27 templates, 9 web page types.

HomePage allows changing of templates after the web page has been created, iWeb does not.

iPhoto 6 cannot publish web pages using HomePage. This feature was in all versions of iPhoto up to now. It is clear that with the introduction of iWeb Apple has decided to make .mac users pay extra for doing something that they used to be able to do for free.

I tried the blog function in iWeb, it seemed to work. I didn't try the podcast function.

mark hunte · 01-16-2006, 05:18 AM

The templates are very limited.

You can re-edit in iWeb
Although you can create Nice pages from them.

I love the ability rotate images.

Yes the should be an option of reflection on or off.
Yes the colours of iWeb and iPhoto6 are not great.

You should be able to create your index to photo galleries.

Once you get the idea it quit quick.

It would be nice to be able to use the Photo template, but you can not change it basic functions.

Note you can also use the shape options on the text objects, to create borders et...

mark hunte · 01-16-2006, 05:39 AM

On a photo template.

The shapes option (in inspector)becomes a layout option.
At the top of you can change the frames around the thumbnails.

mclbruce · 01-16-2006, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark hunte


	On a photo template. The shapes option (in inspector)becomes a layout option. At the top of you can change the frames around the thumbnails.

That is a big help. I see you can change from two columns of photos to three as well, which is good.

kainewynd2 · 01-16-2006, 10:10 AM

I've never used HomePage, so I don't have any comparisons, but seeing as how I've been all about background server set up, troubleshooting, etc., and have never made a web page that didn't look like something a teenager could throw together, I have to say that I am relatively thrilled with iWeb.

I'm a little disappointed in the Publish to Folder feature -- in general it seems to make a sub folder - site - but I've had some issues publishing to my web server share and getting a long directory name along the lines of 854375-08974-...etc.

A live folder feature would be nice - a la Drewamweaver.

And lastly, it would be nice to actually have only one site publish to a server instead of all of those you've created. I made one for an intranet as a photo album and the other as am external web server feature... it took 20 minutes to upload 4.5 gigs of images over wireless that I did not expect.

Besides that, the ease of use is nice and the results are stunning. I am looking forward to some more control of some of the features - re-design of templates, etc., but for the typical end-user who is more interested in design than huge functionality, I think it is quite a decent program.

FYI: I do think it is hilarious that they left the second Help menu...

mark hunte · 01-16-2006, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by kainewynd2


	IFYI: I do think it is hilarious that they left the second Help menu...

What second Help menu?? I have only one.

Phil St. Romain · 01-16-2006, 10:12 AM

I've ordered iLife 06 but haven't received it yet.

- Sorry to hear that the HomePage option has been dropped from iPhoto. That was very nice.

- How does iWeb store pages on your hard drive? Is there a folder you can access to upload to a different server than .Mac?

mclbruce · 01-16-2006, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil St. Romain


	- How does iWeb store pages on your hard drive? Is there a folder you can access to upload to a different server than .Mac?

I don't know where the actual iWeb file is stored. iWeb itself will not do the uploading to a different site. It will "Publish to a Folder" which is a menu item. That will create the HTML and associated files in the folder you specify. You can put that folder wherever you want with a typical Open/Save dialog box. Once you have the folder on your HD you must use another app such as Cyberduck to upload it.

Phil St. Romain · 01-16-2006, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mclbruce


	I don't know where the actual iWeb file is stored. iWeb itself will not do the uploading to a different site. It will "Publish to a Folder" which is a menu item. That will create the HTML and associated files in the folder you specify. You can put that folder wherever you want with a typical Open/Save dialog box. Once you have the folder on your HD you must use another app such as Cyberduck to upload it.

I can live with that. Thanks for the info.

mark hunte · 01-16-2006, 08:12 PM

I submitted a Hint early today, it was about the iWeb Project files.

Anyway they are here. ( they are a package )

~/Library/Application Support/iWeb/Domain.sites/

But as you will see you will want to export rather than use these for any external/local site

Phil St. Romain · 01-19-2006, 11:13 PM

Finally recieved it. I see what Apple has in mind -- basically, quick and easy personal web pages of very decent quality. Submit forms are out, of course, as it tweaking the code in iWeb. Exporting to a folder enables you to bring up the pages in another editor if you wish, although Golive 6.0.1 Layout and Preview options mangle the pages beyond recognition, meaning Golive can't really be used in Layout mode to tweak iWeb pages. Kind of disappointing. The freeware NVU does a nice job rendering the pages, however. Go figure!

Lots and lots of div tags and an incredible amount of code to display the images.

Also, it seems to convert images to png and reduces the size to what is needed. E.g. a 256 K 640 X 480 jpg was scaled down to a 13 K 156 X 116 png. That's kind of nice -- very handy, actually.

There doesn't seem to be any way to "color" your links. Those I've created so far are the same color as the text.

But all in all, this is a good start on a web page compiler for the non-pro, and a good way for pros to rough out drafts of pages with images and movies very quickly.

Anyone with Golive CS or Dreamweaver have any luck with iWeb pages in layout mode? As I noted, Golive 6.0.1 is useless.

Phil St. Romain · 01-23-2006, 07:58 PM

See http://sdiheartland.org/

I do the web site for this organization (of which I'm a part) and revised it using iWeb. Nothing fancy, I know.

A few comments about the experience:

1. It's really easy to use and does a nice job setting up the pages. There's no way to access the code and tweak things, but most people won't care about that.

2. Once you decide on a theme for a page, you're stuck with it. You could copy/paste the content into a new page, of course, but that's a cumbersome way to do things.

3. Adding shadows to the images is a nice touch. Not sure how I'd do that in Golive without first adding them to the border as part of the image (which may be what iWeb did on the fly)

4. It generates a ridiculous amount of files. Each page has its own content folder, complete with images, css and so forth. It seems that there could be root-level folders for images and css files, thus avoiding the incredible redundancies. Of course, that means more stuff you'd be storing on .Mac . . .

5. Exporting to a folder and tweaking **** tags worked fine. The index.html file has a tag that references your top page, so it's pretty empty.

I look for improvements and more features in future versions.

01-15-2006, 11:18 PM	#1
mclbruce Hall of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 3,341	iWeb 1.0 and HomePage Here are my observations on iWeb and how it works with iPhoto and .mac. iWeb faulty color management - JPEGs are published with my monitor profile! There is noticeable color shifting from original images. iWeb slide show too cluttered and distracting - The worse your pictures are, the more you will like the slide show effects. There is no way to turn off the "reflection" of the photo in the slide show. This is a step backward from HomePage. The workaround for this is to save all pages to disk and then drag and drop them to .mac. Yes, if you save the pages to disk you can use them on sites other than .mac. .mac URLs are too long - If comcast can give me myusername.home.comcast.net then Apple can do better than homepage.mac.com/myusernam/web/iweb/mysitename. iWeb has no easy way to create directories of photo albums - This is something that HomePage is pretty good at. iWeb: 12 templates, 6 web page types. HomePage: up to 27 templates, 9 web page types. HomePage allows changing of templates after the web page has been created, iWeb does not. iPhoto 6 cannot publish web pages using HomePage. This feature was in all versions of iPhoto up to now. It is clear that with the introduction of iWeb Apple has decided to make .mac users pay extra for doing something that they used to be able to do for free. I tried the blog function in iWeb, it seemed to work. I didn't try the podcast function.

01-16-2006, 05:18 AM	#2
mark hunte MVP Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Hello London Calling Posts: 1,617	The templates are very limited. You can re-edit in iWeb Although you can create Nice pages from them. I love the ability rotate images. Yes the should be an option of reflection on or off. Yes the colours of iWeb and iPhoto6 are not great. You should be able to create your index to photo galleries. Once you get the idea it quit quick. It would be nice to be able to use the Photo template, but you can not change it basic functions. Note you can also use the shape options on the text objects, to create borders et... Last edited by mark hunte; 01-16-2006 at 05:27 AM.

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01-16-2006, 05:39 AM	#3
mark hunte MVP Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Hello London Calling Posts: 1,617	On a photo template. The shapes option (in inspector)becomes a layout option. At the top of you can change the frames around the thumbnails.

01-16-2006, 10:10 AM	#5
kainewynd2 Triple-A Player Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Eastern US Posts: 120	I've never used HomePage, so I don't have any comparisons, but seeing as how I've been all about background server set up, troubleshooting, etc., and have never made a web page that didn't look like something a teenager could throw together, I have to say that I am relatively thrilled with iWeb. I'm a little disappointed in the Publish to Folder feature -- in general it seems to make a sub folder - site - but I've had some issues publishing to my web server share and getting a long directory name along the lines of 854375-08974-...etc. A live folder feature would be nice - a la Drewamweaver. And lastly, it would be nice to actually have only one site publish to a server instead of all of those you've created. I made one for an intranet as a photo album and the other as am external web server feature... it took 20 minutes to upload 4.5 gigs of images over wireless that I did not expect. Besides that, the ease of use is nice and the results are stunning. I am looking forward to some more control of some of the features - re-design of templates, etc., but for the typical end-user who is more interested in design than huge functionality, I think it is quite a decent program. FYI: I do think it is hilarious that they left the second Help menu...

01-16-2006, 10:12 AM	#7
Phil St. Romain Site Admin Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 2,350	I've ordered iLife 06 but haven't received it yet. - Sorry to hear that the HomePage option has been dropped from iPhoto. That was very nice. - How does iWeb store pages on your hard drive? Is there a folder you can access to upload to a different server than .Mac?

01-16-2006, 08:12 PM	#10
mark hunte MVP Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Hello London Calling Posts: 1,617	I submitted a Hint early today, it was about the iWeb Project files. Anyway they are here. ( they are a package ) ~/Library/Application Support/iWeb/Domain.sites/ But as you will see you will want to export rather than use these for any external/local site

01-19-2006, 11:13 PM	#11
Phil St. Romain Site Admin Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 2,350	Finally recieved it. I see what Apple has in mind -- basically, quick and easy personal web pages of very decent quality. Submit forms are out, of course, as it tweaking the code in iWeb. Exporting to a folder enables you to bring up the pages in another editor if you wish, although Golive 6.0.1 Layout and Preview options mangle the pages beyond recognition, meaning Golive can't really be used in Layout mode to tweak iWeb pages. Kind of disappointing. The freeware NVU does a nice job rendering the pages, however. Go figure! Lots and lots of div tags and an incredible amount of code to display the images. Also, it seems to convert images to png and reduces the size to what is needed. E.g. a 256 K 640 X 480 jpg was scaled down to a 13 K 156 X 116 png. That's kind of nice -- very handy, actually. There doesn't seem to be any way to "color" your links. Those I've created so far are the same color as the text. But all in all, this is a good start on a web page compiler for the non-pro, and a good way for pros to rough out drafts of pages with images and movies very quickly. Anyone with Golive CS or Dreamweaver have any luck with iWeb pages in layout mode? As I noted, Golive 6.0.1 is useless.

01-23-2006, 07:58 PM	#12
Phil St. Romain Site Admin Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Wichita, KS Posts: 2,350	See http://sdiheartland.org/ I do the web site for this organization (of which I'm a part) and revised it using iWeb. Nothing fancy, I know. A few comments about the experience: 1. It's really easy to use and does a nice job setting up the pages. There's no way to access the code and tweak things, but most people won't care about that. 2. Once you decide on a theme for a page, you're stuck with it. You could copy/paste the content into a new page, of course, but that's a cumbersome way to do things. 3. Adding shadows to the images is a nice touch. Not sure how I'd do that in Golive without first adding them to the border as part of the image (which may be what iWeb did on the fly) 4. It generates a ridiculous amount of files. Each page has its own content folder, complete with images, css and so forth. It seems that there could be root-level folders for images and css files, thus avoiding the incredible redundancies. Of course, that means more stuff you'd be storing on .Mac . . . 5. Exporting to a folder and tweaking **** tags worked fine. The index.html file has a tag that references your top page, so it's pretty empty. I look for improvements and more features in future versions.